Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Starship has been afloat for 106 hours and has traveled 310km since landing. Currently 1200km from the nearest Australian shoreline. GO Australis still trailing Starship 9:42 PM · Jul 29, 2026
Es ist aber auch gemein. Das halbe Netz regt sich auf über Christopher Nolans "Odyssee" - und dann kommt Herr Musk daher und stiehlt ihm einfach die Schau.
"Les hommes seront toujours fous; et ceux qui croient les guérir sont les plus fous de la bande." - Voltaire
Zitat Claudius@ClaudiusNDX If the Normand Ranger is steaming out at 15.3 knots (>80% power - truly hauling butt) to meet GO Australis and Ship 40, she should arrive on station in roughly 40 hours.
That puts her there around 4:30 AM Texas time / 09:30 UTC on Friday.
Once both ships are on station, the real adventure begins: towing Ship 40 toward Western Australia. It could take a while working against the wind and currents, but it’s going to be fascinating to watch.
Definitely staying tuned. #SaveShip40
(Video: MyRadar Pro - ship positions are approximate and placed for education/entertainment purposes only) 7:38 PM · Jul 29, 2026
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Okay so, bit of confusion over what's happening yesterday so here's where we're at:
Two vessels are outbound to S40 to assist in recovery operations. NORMAND RANGER and SKIMMER TIDE. Both are similar in size to Australis and Ranger especially seems fit for towing. Ranger will arrive at the site in the next day and a half while Skimmer will arrive in two. GO Australis is still closely following the drifting Starship, 134 hours and counting since landing. 4:13 PM · Jul 30, 2026
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Starship continues to be afloat 143 hours since touchdown and has traveled 370km from the LZ. Currently 1255km from the nearest Australian shoreline. GO Australis is still trailing Starship while SKIMMER TIDE and NORMAND RANGER are 700 and 490 kilometers away respectively. 1:32 AM · Jul 31, 2026
Zitat von Ulrich Elkmann im Beitrag #151Es ist aber auch gemein. Das halbe Netz regt sich auf über Christopher Nolans "Odyssee" - und dann kommt Herr Musk daher und stiehlt ihm einfach die Schau.
Das ist eine einmalige Gelegenheit und ich würde sagen, eine typische "Elon-Musk-Nummer" die daraus entstand.
So wie ich das mitbekommen habe, war eine Rettung bzw. Bergung gar nicht vorgesehen gewesen. Dass Ship 40 die Wasserung intakt überstand und anschließend sogar noch Telemetrie sendete, war wohl für alle Beteiligten überraschend.
Gruß Morn <>< ______________________________________ Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Thomas Sowell
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 NORMAND RANGER has met up with GO AUSTRALIS (which has been trailing the floating Starship for the past >6 days). SKIMMER TIDE still about 360 kilometers/18hrs out.
S40 has floated approximately 403km since touchdown occurred 162 hours ago. 7:35 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Bislang sind die Schiffe, die wie vorgesehen gewassert sind, stets in einem beachtlichen Feuerball nach dem Aufsetzen explodiert, weil die noch einen Restvorrat an Treibstoff in den Tanks haben und die Zuleitungen das Umstürzen nicht heil überstehen - dann kommt dieser Rest mit den glühendheißen Brennkammern in Berührung. Bzw. eben nicht "glühend" - die werden ja durch durchlaufenden Treibstoff so weit herabgekühlt, daß die Aluminiumwandungen nicht durchschmelzen; aber mehrere hundert Grad sind das trotzdem. Als Kühlmittel dient der flüssige Wasserstoff, das RP-2 (also Kerosin) oder in diesem Fall das Methan (bei einer Temperatur von -161°C). Der Vorgang des Herabkühlens benötigt etwa eine halbe Minute. Man kann das bei jedem Start im Livestream sehen, wenn es kurz vor der Stufentrennung "MVAC chilldown" heißt. Das M steht hier für "Merlin engine" bei der Falcon 9 und Falcon Heavy. Bei Flug 13 war das Kommando "engine chilldown." Die Austrittsdüsen der Antriebe sind unterschiedlich geformt, weil der Start ja den Luftdruck auf Meereshöhe überwinden muß und in ~70 km Höhe schon weitgehend Weltraumbedingungen herrschen.
Die Raketenpioniere der 20er und 30er Jahre haben das Verfahren unabhängig voneinander entwickelt. Robert Goddard hat das ab 1928-29 eingesetzt, nachdem er den Zündmechanismus und die Gyroskop-Stabilisierung auf ein verlässliches Niveau gebracht hatte und nicht mehr die Hälfte seiner Starts mit einem großen Knall endete; beim ersten Start einer Flüssigkeitsrakete am 16. März 1926 ist die Brennkammer nach zweieinhalb Sekunden durchgebrannt. Der Verein für Raumschiffahrt in Berlin hat das zuerst für den ab 1930 gestarteten Repulsor benutzt; Max Valier ist am 17. Mai 1930 gestorben, weil der Treibstoff in der Brennkammer, die er getestet hat, nach 10 Sekunden ein winziges Loch in die Wand geschmort hat und einer der dabei mitgerissenen Aluminiumsplitter seine Halsschlagader durchschlagen hat.
Als die dritte Version des Raptor-Triebwerks zum ersten Mal vorgestellt wurde, hieß es ja überall: da fehlt ja die Hälfte! Was da "fehlt", sind die äußeren Zuleitungen für den Teil des Treibstoffs, der zur Kühlung dient; der gesamte Zulauf ist in die Zylinderstruktur des Motors integriert worden; es wird also jeder Part gekühlt. Möglich, daß das der ausschlaggebende Faktor war - und dann wird klar, warum die Ingenieure da gerne einen genauen Blick darauf werfen möchten. Und natürlich auch, inwieweit der Rest der Inneneinrichtung da in Mitleidenschaft gezogen worden ist.
Wenn die es wirklich schaffen, Schiff 40 in einen australischen Hafen zu schleppen, dann steppt da der 🐻. Und wir haben einen toten 🐋. Paßt.
Zitat Claudius@ClaudiusNDX Update – 16:00 UTC / 12:00 PM EDT
Ship 40 is still floating after 6½+ days.
GO Australis remains on station.
Normand Ranger is now only ~84 miles out and should arrive between 17:15–17:40 UTC (1:15–1:40 PM EDT).
Skimmer Tide is a few hours behind.
Main recovery assets are closing in within the next 1–2 hours, but morning will not arrive until about 23:00. #SAVESHIP40 6:04 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Claudius@ClaudiusNDX Normand Ranger has arrived to meet GO Australis and Ship40. It is still dark there, but these crews are able to perform night operations. Skimmer Tide still has a few hours of travel until it reaches them. 7:43 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Zitat SpaceX@SpaceX View of Starship in space from a Starlink V3 satellite on Flight 13.
This composite is made of imagery from four separate cameras on a single satellite. Six of the satellites were equipped with cameras to scan Starship’s heat shield and transmit imagery down to operators to continue testing methods of analyzing Starship’s heat shield readiness for return to launch site on future missions 1:05 11:01 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Zitat von Ulrich Elkmann im Beitrag #156oder in diesem Fall das Methan (bei einer Temperatur von -161°C).
PS. zum CH4.
Zitat DogeDesigner@cb_doge NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman: SpaceX helped lead America’s shift to methane rocket fuel.
"SpaceX was one of the first to move on from their current propellant structure, which is basically refined diesel and liquid oxygen, to liquid methane or liquid natural gas and liquid oxygen.
But we know so very little about it and what we get concerned about very early on is what happens if something goes wrong during testing? And we assumed a lot of worst case scenarios. But other companies, so Blue Origin, for example, decided, this is the right path we should go on to.
Now the problem is you have all these companies working on this new propellant system, and we had to take very conservative views, which would have actually shut down testing and launch operations at multiple centers across the United States. And this employee, Berkowitz, he came up with the analysis that determined, actually, it's a lot safer than we may think it is, and it's permitted us to conduct lots of simultaneous operations. It was a real enabling breakthrough work he did, and that's why he was honored." Last edited 3:46 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Es gibt zurzeit 5 Modelle, die Methan als Treibstoff verwenden: - Das Starship - Die Vulcan Centaur von ULA - New Glenn von Blue Origin - Die Zhuque-2/ 朱雀二号 von LandSpace (8 Starts seit Dez. 2022, mit 6 Erfolgen und 2 Fehlschlägen) - Die Terran-R von Relativity Space (die sich seit 2023 in der Entwicklung befindet; im März 2025 hat die Firma den Erstflug für 2026 angekündigt).
PS.
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 AUSTRALIS still drifting with ship, RANGER stationkeeping at 2km (tall image not blank) Maybe going to approach from the sides 12:08 AM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat NSF - NASASpaceflight.com reposted Gav | spaceOFFSHORE@spaceOFFSHORE It looks like SpaceX's recovery ship Doug has assisted a boat in distress whilst returning from the NROL-95 mission. Fingers crossed all are safe and well.
Zitat Brevard Scanner@ScannerBrevard·3h Coast Guard has a report of a boat taking on water 18 NM miles off of Port Canaveral. Two people on board.
Zitat von Ulrich Elkmann im Beitrag #156mit den glühendheißen Brennkammern in Berührung. Bzw. eben nicht "glühend" - die werden ja durch durchlaufenden Treibstoff so weit herabgekühlt, daß die Aluminiumwandungen nicht durchschmelzen; aber mehrere hundert Grad sind das trotzdem.
Nachtrag.
Zitat Elon Musk reposted
X Freeze@XFreeze This is the most impossible launch moments ever captured this close
A camera sat beneath Starship’s Super Heavy booster as all 33 Raptor engines ignited at once
Inside each Raptor, methane and oxygen produce combustion gases approaching 3,000°C, or roughly 5,400°F
Then the full engine array erupts, hammering the launch mount with supersonic exhaust, violent shockwaves, extreme acoustic energy, vibration, water spray and enormous clouds of steam
Yet the camera kept recording through the entire ignition sequence from directly beneath the mount, without the view ever clouding or fogging
SpaceX team engineered a way to capture footage from the most brutal launch environments imaginable
The camera system behind this shot may be almost as impressive as the footage itself 11:05 PM · Jul 31, 2026
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Ranger pushing backwards from the southeast and Australis pushing forwards from the northwest. The two vessels are within only a several meters of eachother now, seemingly sandwiching the ship between themselves. 168 hours since touchdown and counting 2:07 AM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 That earlier movement was coordination, staging and a little practice. They're now catching back up to the floating Starship to snag it for real hopefully in the coming hours 3:12 AM · Aug 1, 2026
TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Attempt at capture of Starship is ongoing at the current time , 173 hours since touchdown. 7:03 AM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat Claudius@ClaudiusNDX Update – ~14:30 UTC / 10:30 AM EDT Ship 40 is now in darkness over the eastern Indian Ocean. The recovery vessels still appear to be holding station rather than making way under tow, so it looks like they have not yet successfully established a secure connection. Night has fallen in the area (roughly 8 hours of darkness remaining), so significant progress may or may not occur until daylight returns. We’ll keep watching closely.
Credit: @mcrs987 #SaveShip40 4:40 PM · Aug 1, 2026
Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴☠️@mercoglianos·31m This will time to set up any tow. The wind and wave height will be playing a major factor in the ability to get a towing bridle rigged. Salvaging Starship: The Challenges of an Open Ocean Tow https://youtu.be/tWnL0lRhfQo
Claudius@ClaudiusNDX Thanks for clarifying. For anyone who doesn’t know, WGOW Shipping (What’s Going On With Shipping?) has been one of the best maritime channels on YouTube for years - Sal knows this stuff cold. 6:27 PM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 All three vessels are on scene now, 184 hours since touchdown. Australis is following the ship while Ranger keeps pace at a distance of several kilometers. Recap of the last day's activities:
Between 02:00 and 03:00UTC ,a pilot tow line was attached to the aft end of the Starship, originating from the Ranger. This was confirmed visually at 03:15 via satellite imaging. Both vessels began stationkeeping for several hours following this line attachment. At around 1000 they caught up to and began following the floating Starship again. At this point, Ranger should be preparing the required rigging for Starship. It is still unclear whether they will tow the vehicle with the nose or aft pointed forwards.
Daylight comes again in the next several hours and that will likely be the towing day. Unfortunately I will probably not be able to cover that myself as in a few hours I will be out of coastal cellular coverage 6:56 PM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat Oliver The Space Nerd@OliverNerd7 As of now, S40 has been attached to preliminary tow lines via the aft section of the vehicle. Teams are working towards fully rigging up and towing the ship. Bound to be an exciting few days! 10:06 PM · Aug 1, 2026
Zitat Blobifi@Blobifie 193 hours after splashdown (8 days), All three ships have arrived at Ship 40 and according to satellite images, they have attached tow lines to the aft of S40.
Its still unknown if they will tow it from the aft or the foward section. 3:53 AM · Aug 2, 2026
Zitat JohnCn@JConcilus Latest 24-hour AIS tracks of the three salvage vessels: As evening approaches there, it looks like they *MAY* have managed to connect test lines / a bridle earlier to interrupt Ship 40’s drift & move it gently in a clockwise direction against the original drift pattern! 💪🚀⛴️ 2:20 PM · Aug 2, 2026
Zitat Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴☠️@mercoglianos The ships dispatched by @SpaceX to deal with Starship have been following a pattern.
▶️During daylight hours they congregate, probably by Starship, and continue to drift to the west ▶️At night, they seperate and continue their drift. ▶️Today, for the first time we see the ships hold position and not drift.
This may indicate that they have been able to arrest the drift of the Starship.
They have not begun any susbtantial movement to the east toward Dampier, which is now 850 nautical miles away. 4:02 PM · Aug 2, 2026
As best we can tell, Normand Ranger appears to have affixed a tow to Ship40 (possibly with an inflated “sled” assist). Skimmer Tide and GO Australis are positioned alongside - either with additional lines or simply holding station.
GO Australis has now been at sea for more than 20 days, though one of the other vessels may have replenished them after arriving yesterday.
Also worth noting: GO Australis carries the excellent photography team - should we be expecting a recovery documentary?
Current conditions show some outward flow working against their progress toward Western Australia. At best they may be making around 4 knots of headway (My Radar Pro map clip annotated for educational purposes).
Will be watching closely.
#SAVESHIP40 9:14 PM · Aug 2, 2026
JohnCn@JConcilus Nighttime update: All three vessels now in a grouping on what appears to be a reciprocal heading back toward Dampier at between 1-1.5 knots. They are on their way! 👍🚀⛴️ 9:12 PM · Aug 2, 2026
Zitat Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴☠️@mercoglianos Starship40 Salvage UPDATE @SpaceX
The trio of Go Australis, Normand Ranger and Skimmer Tide continued their easterly progression last night at about 1 knot.
They have to overcome wind and current so they are actually making a few knots more through the water.
This morning Go Australis conducted a close in rendezvous with each ship - probably transferring personnel as the ship detached and headed to Dampier; most likely for fuel and supplies.
Both Normand Ranger and Skimmer Tide are showing "Restricted Maneuverability" so it is not clear if both are now involved in the tow.
Both are currently holding position 841 nautical miles WNW of Dampier.
If they maintain a 1 knot speed of advance, it will take 35 days to make land; at 3 knots it will take 12 days. 2:35 PM · Aug 3, 2026
Zitat JohnCn@JConcilus GO Australis departed for Dampier around 4:30 PM Australian Western Time (AWST) / 4:30 AM EDT. Normand Ranger & Skimmer Tide have slowed since then & made many small adjustments during the overnight hours. They’re towing Ship 40 on a ~53° NE course now at ~1 knot or less. 🤷♂️🚀⛴️ 4:07 PM · Aug 3, 2026
19:00 MESZ: seit der Wasserung von Schiff 40 sind 231 Stunden vergangen.
Das lateinische Zitat oben ist das Motto der Stadt Paris, daß ihr Baron Haussmann 1853 verpaßt hat und seitdem im Stadtwappen steht: "Hin- und hergeworfen (von den Wellen), geht sie nicht unter." Paul Celans Gedicht "Auf hoher See" (aus dem Band "Mohn und Gedächtnis" von 1952) bezieht sich darauf:
Paris, das Schifflein, liegt im Glas vor Anker: so halt ich mir dir Tafel, trink dir zu. Ich trink so lang, bis dir mein Herz erdunkelt, so lange, bis Paris auf seiner Träne schwimmt, so lange, bis es Kurs nimmt auf den schwarzen Schleier, der uns die Welt verhüllt, wo jedes Du ein Ast ist, an dem ich hänge als ein Blatt, das schweigt und schwebt.
"Les hommes seront toujours fous; et ceux qui croient les guérir sont les plus fous de la bande." - Voltaire
Zitat TheSpaceEngineer@mcrs987 Briefly back so quick recap of the past two days;
Over August 2nd the trio gradually approached the floating Starship still tied to Ranger. At around 0300 UTC they appeared to begin securing it, but stopped and backed off. A second series of maneuvers was conducted from about 0830 to 1000 , finally securing the aft end of the Starship to Normand Ranger. From that point on they have been gradually dragging the ship at a super low speed, with the ship rigged at about 70 meters behind Ranger. At 0100 August 3 GO Australis intercepted the Ranger for no more than ten minutes, likely a crew transfer from Australis (where the SpaceX recovery teams have been previously operating in). Shortly after they intercepted Skimmer for about 40 minutes, this was likely both a crew and equipment transfer. Australis is now heading back home after spending 21 days at sea. Ranger and Skimmer are operating in close proximity to eachother, still slowly dragging the ship conducting trials and monitoring how the ship and the rigging that is pulling the ship is holding up
Satellite imaging from earlier in the morning verified the configuration that Starship will be towed in, aft-end forwards, most likely with the rigging secured to the interfaces where the Booster's staging clamps hold on to the ship, located in six positions around the skirt. I've made this rather mediocre drawing below lol
Still not clear when or where it will return to australia. And to be clear, neither Ranger or Skimmer are making headway back towards shore just yet, but this should change soon 12:09 AM · Aug 4, 2026
Zitat Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴☠️@mercoglianos 🚨STARSHIP40 @SpaceX Update🚨
▶️This morning, Go Australis continued her transit to Dampier ▶️Normand Ranger and Skimmer Tide were together during the evening slowing steaming to the east ▶️Shortly after dawn this morning, Skimmer Tide set sail for Dampier ▶️Normand Ranger turned ESE and increased speed to 3 knots.
It now appears that Normand Ranger has Starship secured and is towing her to Dampier. If not, she would be sailing much faster.
Images from yesterday showed the Starship on a short stay with the tow affixed to the bottom of the Starship.
To conduct the tow, Normand Ranger would extend the tow line to provide a catenary - to absorb the motion of the ship and tow.
One of the images appears to indicate that the bottom of the Starship may be elevated out of the water on a platform of some kind.
Based on a speed of advance of 3 knots, @MarineTraffic is showing an ETA at Dampier on the evening of Aug 13/14. 3:40 PM · Aug 4, 2026
Dampier ist nach William Dampier benannt, der vom Freibeuter zum Entdeckungsreisenden mutiert ist und der erste war, der die Erde 3 Mal umreist hat. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dampier
Es kann sich hier tatsächlich nur um eine Simulation handeln.
"Les hommes seront toujours fous; et ceux qui croient les guérir sont les plus fous de la bande." - Voltaire
Zitat von Ulrich Elkmann im Beitrag #156Der Vorgang des Herabkühlens benötigt etwa eine halbe Minute. Man kann das bei jedem Start im Livestream sehen, wenn es kurz vor der Stufentrennung "MVAC chilldown" heißt.
Ich hab's gerade beim Start vom Starlink 17-53 von Vandenberg mal gestoppt. Es sind ziemlich genau 40 Sekunden. 34. Start für B1063.
"Les hommes seront toujours fous; et ceux qui croient les guérir sont les plus fous de la bande." - Voltaire
Zitat Spaceflight Now@SpaceflightNow In SpaceX's 1st earnings call, Elon Musk said SpaceX intends to deploy the first batch of Starlink V3 satellites to orbit during the upcoming Starship Flight 14 mission.
"We will try to actually catch the first and the second stage of Starship V3 this year and we could possibly catch the Ship as soon as the next flight." 10:38 PM · Aug 4, 2026
Zitat ChromeKiwi@AshleyKillip "Elon Musk: 'We want to take a close look at the ship currently floating in the ocean. All indications from data and visual inspection suggest we have solved the heat shield problem, which is arguably the single biggest problem. That doesn't mean we won't make improvements to the heat shield; we don't see any technical obstacles to achieving full and rapid reusability. 11:54 PM · Aug 4, 2026
Zitat Sawyer Merritt@SawyerMerritt Elon: "I don't want to jinx it or anything, but I think I would call the heat shield problem solved at this point. All indications from data and visual inspection is we have solved it. That doesn't mean we won't make improvement, but we do not see any technical obstacles to achieving rapid reusability at this point." 11:34 PM · Aug 4, 2026
Zitat SpaceX wants to launch next Starship this month (and catch it, too), Elon Musk says in 1st earnings call since historic IPO
The company aims to launch the 14th test flight of its Starship megarocket before August is out, Elon Musk said today (Aug. 4) during SpaceX's first-ever quarterly earnings call. Starship will deploy viable payloads into orbit on Flight 14, something it has never done before — and there will be other unprecedented action as well.
"I'd say things look very good, and that's why we, assuming we receive regulatory approval to do so, will attempt to catch the Ship with the tower on the next flight, which is tentatively scheduled for the end of this month," Musk said during today's call. ... The newly released report states that total revenue in the March-June time period was up 92% over the same stretch in 2025 — $7.8 billion versus $4.1 billion. And SpaceX had a net loss during this span of $541 million, down from a net loss of $1.0 billion in Q2 2025.
More than half of this quarter's revenue — about $4.3 billion — came via the company's Starlink satellite-internet megaconstellation. That number crystallizes a truth that has been apparent for a while now — SpaceX is not just a launch company anymore.
Rockets will bring in a smaller and smaller share of SpaceX revenue over the coming years, if all goes according to plan. Launch will continue ceding this financial ground to Starlink, but also, increasingly, to SpaceX's artificial intelligence (AI) operations.
Indeed, SpaceX sees itself becoming more and more of an AI outfit over time. A few months ago, the company revealed that, over the long haul, it's targeting a "total addressable market" of $28.5 trillion per year, nearly $23 trillion of which will be in the field of "enterprise AI applications." That's quite an ambitious goal; in 2025, the gross domestic product of the entire United States was a little less than $31 trillion.
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